Posts by Fred E Hathaway

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I'm a Liar

by Perry in

so, i'm downtown quite early the other morning while still dark and i see a man holding an awake.

so, i pull over and wave him over.

after a few words of cordiality, i ask him why jehovah's witnesses teach that jesus returned invisibly in 1914 when jesus himself said this:in matthew 24:.

to Perry: Anti-social behavior, once it starts, is difficult to stop. It takes slowing things down to where one thinks before speaking. It's hard to consider ramifications of the fly. Neither of you knows the others' issues. Each is very often still trying to heal from past relationships, and now we're bleeding all over the place making each other a victim all over again. Nobody wins. You're still bleeding, this time on us. We can all "embrace total idiocy", at least from time to time. We're all imperfect, even as we speak.

The guy doesn't likely know about your issues, your mother and her own grandchildren, your deflection from Daniel to Jesus over these other, very personal, very real issues.

The Memorial of Jesus Christ's death is on April 2, this year. May we not reject his sacrifice. May God be able to show His mercy and undeserved kindness upon all of us, as we learn from our wonderful Creator and His good and perfect provisions, including His Anointed's ransom sacrifice.

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Say It After Me: Shalom!

by ColdRedRain in

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friends

now you know more hebrew than your "bible expert" watchtower slave.

Fred E Hathaway

Reply to DJK: The KJV [which was done well before 1974], at Deuteronomy 10:14, uses the expression the heaven of heavens, where it reads: Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the LORD [Jehovah]'s thy God, the earth also, wilth all that therein is.

Shalom aleikhem. As-salaamu 'alaikum. Peace be upon you (all).

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Say It After Me: Shalom!

by ColdRedRain in

jw
friends

now you know more hebrew than your "bible expert" watchtower slave.

Fred E Hathaway

Wa salaam alaikum! Peace and prosperity and goodwill and harmony to all! May Jehovah's Kingdom come and his will be done in all the earth just as it is in the Heaven of heavens.

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I'm a Liar

by Perry in

so, i'm downtown quite early the other morning while still dark and i see a man holding an awake.

so, i pull over and wave him over.

after a few words of cordiality, i ask him why jehovah's witnesses teach that jesus returned invisibly in 1914 when jesus himself said this:in matthew 24:.

Fred E Hathaway

Wods can affect each other harshly sometimes.

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Anybody want to sell me the original Jan 1st 1989 watchtower?

by ninja in

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friends

the one with the "preaching work will finish in our 20th century" quote ....i will pay good money for it....pretty please....it could sway someone out of the watchtower trap... they wont look at photocopies...here's hoping...

Fred E Hathaway

Hey, why not someone just scan it in? Then, anyone here can e-mail it to whomever. Just a thought.

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Is practicing Capoeira wrong/bad/discouraged by Jehovah's Witnesses?

by aikichristian in

my girlfriend used to be an avid capoeira practicioner for over year.

she has reaped many benefits from it: increased physical fitness, flexibility, some self-defense skills, and stress-relief.

she enjoyed it.. unfortunately, an article came out in the spanish version of the "watchtower" ("atalaya" in spanish) essentially saying that capoeira should not be practiced because it has some spirituality stuff in it that was wrong.

Fred E Hathaway

Christian balance requires understanding the Scriptural principles involved, and acting accordingly. It's more challenging to achieve than it may sound. The factors involved do change over time as the symbols and actions change meaning within the cultures over time (both the culture of the many, and the culture of Jehovah's Witnesses).

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Unbled meat.

by DJK in

what is the (or your) definition of unbled meat as described in 1 samuel 14:32-35 where saul fed his army unbled meat.

i would assume that his army did not travel with a herd of sheep and the meat they ate would be from the wild.. i am a hunter and when i harvest a deer, i do not hang it and cut the throat.

i have already dressed (disemboweled) the deer and that includes removing the heart from the inside which allows a total bloodletting.. there are jdubs who hunt and it is quite obvious to game officials who they are because they will check in deer with the throat cut.

Fred E Hathaway

Principles trump laws. And this thread is about "unbled meat". Let's stick to that.

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LESSONS FROM HISTORY

by Doug Mason in

lessons from history .

i have a few reasons for providing the information that follows: .

* a very recent posting mentioned eschatologists of the 19th century (1800s) who provided ctr with his ideas on the interpretation of last-day prophecies.

Fred E Hathaway

Check two things, Fred: (1) the definition of infallible, and (2) the occurrences of "without fail" in the NWT. Then apologize.

Using the Comprehensive Concordance (which references the NWT), I do not see a subhead for "infallible" or any entry for "without fail" (under the subhead of "without"). Perhaps you can enlighten us all with your undeserved kindness, knowledge, and love. Thus, we may all draw closer in unity with Jehovah, Our Creator and Supreme Head, and benefit correctly from LESSONS IN HISTORY.

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Is It Impossible To Reach A Devout JW ???

by minimus in

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i wonder.

a very typcal witness may see the obvious negatives that jws know they have.

they might acknowledge that there's often a lack of love, that the elders can be demanding, that "new light" can change long cherished beliefs in an instant.......but still they cling on and resist any sort of intellectual discussion as to why the witnesses are off soooooo many times.....what gives??

Fred E Hathaway

Yes, and unity between Jehovah and his people is essential.

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LESSONS FROM HISTORY

by Doug Mason in

lessons from history .

i have a few reasons for providing the information that follows: .

* a very recent posting mentioned eschatologists of the 19th century (1800s) who provided ctr with his ideas on the interpretation of last-day prophecies.

Fred E Hathaway

Fred,
If you're going to say that the NWBTC (New World Bible Translation Committee) has changed or is changing the Bible, then you'd have to say that other prophets in the Inspired Scriptures have done the same, including Jesus himself. All have applied Scriptures in ways that weren't obvious to many others (whether to those in their own day or since).
There is a distinction that you seem unwilling to admit: Jesus and the prophets claimed to be speaking directly for God. They also repeatedly claim to be infallible in their prophecies. The Governing Body makes no such claim—any such claim on their part would be laughable.
By what measure do you dare to compare them to Jesus or any of the 1st Century Christians who could readily prove their anointment? By what measure do they dare to compare themselves to Jeremiah, Isaiah, Ezekiel, and Malachi?
I think you overstep the bounds of good sense too easily. I am sure I know where you learned to do so.

The word infallible is not used in the NWT. If any of the GB's words are included in the "new scrolls", then those that are allowed to live then will know, if it matters. The measure is God's Word. We all offend others, even Jehovah, many times in word, thought, and deed. May we each forgive one another and repent, so that we in turn may be shown undeserved kindness in the hour of test and the hour of need. We learn wherever we are. May we select the good always, so that ours may be a good portion from Jehovah himself, the giver of all good gifts and perfect presents.